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>> jeff, thank you. jeff zeleny reporting from the white house. let's get reaction to what we heard from the white house and from the secretary of homeland security. we are going to get reaction from someone who has been unexpectedly very vocal about this border policy, retired general michael hayden, former director of the cia and nsa. he is a cnn national security analyst. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> you listened to what secretary nielsen had to say. what was your reaction? >> disappointing, frustrated. this is a very complicated issue. one of the things that concerned me over th...

This meeting? >> i doubt it. it's news to me. >> reporter: stone texted with his colleague michael caputo who worked as an advise on the trump campaign and helped arrange the meeting. how crazy is the russian, caputo asks? according to "the washington post," which revealed the text messages and first broke the news of the meeting. stone replies, wants big money for the info. waste of time. the russian way caputo responds. anything at all interesting? no, stone replies. stone insisted he did not collude with the russians during the campaign. >> where my testimony is both complete and entirely t...

>> two comments. first, something in it for everybody. depending on your point of view. i think the major finding from the doj report was the fact that they could not after all this study could not find any evidence of real -- the afoekef of political bias on any decisions made. that's significant. >> the russia investigation is seen as a cloud hanging over thisse this administration. certainly the way the president sees it. he calls it a witch hunt, a hoax. what do you believe is a realistic time frame for robert mueller to wrap up this investigation? >> i really don't know. of course, that i...

Children as a means to deter their parents from legal or illegal conduct is immoral. beyond that, it doesn't even work. we have lots of evidence in europe and the united states. the b these aren't going to accomplish the ends they are intend eed to >> can i just add to that? i agree with everything you said. this notion of blaming democrats -- has anybody told the republican party that they control the congress? they sound like, we're blaming the democrats, the democrats are charge. the republicans are in charge. this president himself last friday, if i recall -- i'm sure all of you do -- didn...