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Country. those are the issues that folks care about all over the country. that's what we've got to get back to. >> when you hear the language of repeal and i hear you saying it's over, but they still have the rhetoric. i just want the people to understand in order for them to successfully repeal this law, they'd have to win the white house, maintain control of the house of representatives and gain at least three senate seats. they're going to throw a lot of money. we're going to see money unlike we've ever seen before. but you've said as the new international president of afscme you'll be out ...

Actually displace politicians, displace elected officials and put dictators in to run the state. we're challenging that in michigan and we're going to win that. >> all right. lee saunders, thank you for your time tonight. and again, congratulations on winning the presidency of afscme. >> thank you. coming up, 48 years ago today the civil rights act became the law of the land. we've come a long way, but the fight continues today. and some major legal questions developing in tom cruise's divorce. who role will scientology play? and what does it mean for the 6-year-old daughter they have? we'...

That was the key thing here. the public sector unions were arguing oh, we're protecting our rights. i think most people saw these things as privileges. amount into their pensions. really small amount for their health care. much less than anyone else in the private sector does. and i think, jon, one of the key takeaways for reformist republican governors around the country you don't necessarily need to go whole hog the way scott walker did. if you do one thing and end mandatory dues for these public sector unions, that's a huge hit because the, a couple key public sector unions in last year-and...

Be sectorons is something new. >> and that is what really has to be motivating the anger on the part of the unions, jason. >> certainly. but the unions are also upset with the democratic national committee. >> why is that? >> there has been the opposition to scott walker has been arguing among itself. the dnc has not thrown in enough money as far as the unions are concerned. president obama has a not visited the state. he did endorse barrett after he won the nomination. he hasn't done anything beyond that. >> he is even going to fly over and go to minnesota here before the recall. >> and so th...

Going to restore the wisconsin economy. that is what the people have on their minds and he hasn't been talking about that. >> colin, an interesting fact that came out this week about union membership in the state. public employee union membership which seems to have fallen dramatically in the last year since the reforms were implemented saying the state no longer coercively take union dues. the member members have to voly pay them. >> membership in afscme fell to about 22,000 in february this year from about 62,000 the previous year. that is a drop of almost half. that is extremely significant...