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Were in a union. that is still true today of those in public sector. 36% of public sector employees in this country are in a union. the biggest public sector in the union in the country was founded where? wisconsin. afscme was founded in 1935 in madison, wisconsin. wisconsin became one of the first states to establish collective bargaining rights. this is where this stuff comes from. this is why even as the middle east is blowing up right now and congress has been in session until after midnight three nights this week, and russia has undertaken a fake mission to mars, that they admit is fake. ...

On the show, and from the reaction we got last night and today, we seem to have touched a nerve here. this is what big money in american politics looks like. in 2008, the groups that spent the most money on elections were chamber of commerce, freedom's watch and nra on the right, and to the left, two unions. service employees international union, which you may have heard described on fox news as, you know, the root of all evil in the world, and the wisconsin founded public sector union that we talked about earlier, afscme. the only top five big spenders for democrats in 2008, only top five big...

Raising taxes. >> okay. okay. well, you know as well as i know that he's asking a certain portion of the population to make a real sacrifice right now and it hits the middle class. please stick with us, senator, because we've got joining us now janice bobholtz a deputy sheriff in dodge county, wisconsin, and executive board member of her local chapter of afscme. janice, your response to what the state senator just said about who's taking the cuts? >> my response to the state senator? well, senator, with all due respect, it isn't just the people that are the haves. this bill cuts people right d...

Please stick with us, senator, because we've got joining us now janice bobholtz a deputy sheriff in dodge county, wisconsin, and executive board member of her local chapter of afscme. janice, your response to what the state senator just said about who's taking the cuts? >> my response to the state senator? well, senator, with all due respect, it isn't just the people that are the haves. this bill cuts people right down to the nursing care workers that may take care of one of your relatives, the people that plow your streets. it's not about the state workers or the government workers making all...

The deductible and how about a co-pay and they didn't want to do it, the american federation for state, county and municipal employees, afscme says, no way, you have a deal, a deal is a deal and want it all and want it up front. bill: if i sign a contract i expect to get my deal, we reach it together -- >> or, or, fire the young people who are starting to work, and shore up the deal. bill: the guy out of michigan says it's not an idea to go after the folks with the contracts, the main issue is how to deal with the liability now. >> they are trying to do, anyone who is a new hire now, they'll a...