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Bullet wound in him from the north vietnamese and that makes him of different wiring. the question is, will he be content with this as the afteraction report on all of his hard work, on two years of his life that he thought was going to be private life? is. >> well, i thought it was extraordinary thereat he said anything at all, and once he did, he basically also told us he never wanted to speak again. that does seem characteristic. there is this -- there is -- there was once upon a time in political life where reticence was a virtue. that seems like thermopoly now, so far away. my own view of...

Bullet wound in him from the north vietnamese and that makes him of different wiring. the question is, will he be content with this as the afteraction report on all of his hard work, on two years of his life that he thought was going to be private life? is. >> well, i thought it was extraordinary thereat he said anything at all, and once he did, he basically also told us he never wanted to speak again. that does seem characteristic. there is this -- there is -- there was once upon a time in political life where reticence was a virtue. that seems like thermopylae now, so far away. my own view o...

>> and phil, what does -- it -- would it surprise you that abaaoud have been at the apartment and been with the people to the launch an operation, and been so close to it? >> well, that doesn't surprise me for a simple reason, and what i have realized over the years is that the plotter plans the event, and the event itself drives them emotion ally and the fact that many of them are going to commit suicide operation, and they are not e focused on the afteraction, and remember for the charlie hebdo after plot was not focused. so people don't focus on the emotions after the event, but on that the...

Reports that the gunmen were calling out reporters, cartoonists by name. >> reporter: that has not yet been verified. it's difficult to know whether that's the case or not. i don't think we'll know that for some time yet when we have a full afteraction report from the police. it's clear they knew what they were doing and who they were hitting. this magazine has been the focus of controversy ever since it's been in existence, its whole reason for being. it has a small readership really compared to other magazines in the country, just appeals to people that love to see sort of a send-up of all t...

Exhausted, you would have thought the mission they could have launched tomorrow night in the middle of the night. but in this case, he was obviously under a lot of pressure and stress. but i think -- from what i'm gathering and it will all come out in the afteraction, is when four or five of the hostages were able to escape, i think that's what prompted it. then the officers had to make the call to go in and rescue the other hostages. >> reportedly he grew irate after the escapes. daniel, thank you so much. we're going to take a quick break and then come back, expecting a live press coverage f...