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>> like -- i don't know. a while afterment for me that's not the most important part. >> oh, it is. >> that's what you guys look into. >> it is. the thing is, it's important. on this tape, on this chip you gave us, your father says, selling girls or whatever, you know, is a serious crime. >> unfortunately, his father died suddenly of a heart attack in february of 2010. paul van der sloot carried to his grave this alleged phone exchange between father and son. [speaking in foreign language]

Thing to sell somebody. when is the first time you told him? >> a long time after that we were arrested, a while. >> well, in the conversation you and i had on the phone, you told me that you told your father -- that your father -- that natalee holloway's family showed up and they were making a big fuss, and your father talk you to a lawyer, and you told me your told your father and lawyer at that opinion. >> i lied to him. >> so you lied to me when you told me that? >> i don't remember telling you that. >> that's an important element of it. is that, what did they know at that time? >> at that...