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And manipulate the criminal justice system as a cudgel to use against his political rival. from his second white house chief of staff john kelly, quote, he was always telling me we need to use the fbi and irs to go after people he was constant and obsessive and it's just what he is claiming is being done to him now. i would tell him why it was wrong and while i was there i did everything i could to steer him away from it and tell him why it was a bad idea. mr. kelly said that. joining our conversation "new york times" washington correspondent mike smith, david jolly is still here. mike, it fee...

Quote, patently false. now grossberg is speaking out in an msnbc exclusive with my colleague cynthia mcfadden. >> in the course of a couple of weeks after the election, sidney powell and rudy giuliani appeared four times on the show that you were producing. do you think that any of what they said added to what eventually happened on january 6th? >> it took me a long time to connect those dots i don't think that we'll ever quite know that for sure, but i do know that rudy giuliani and sidney powell gave fox viewers and the american people false hope that this election could be overturned. >> wa...

Part of the country, and to again quote, "reach out to nonmetropolitan audiences beyond london and engagement in our national conversation", well, the impact of covid and movements like extinction rebellion or black lives matter, those stories are better told if everyone has an equal stake in them, irrespective of where they live. so what does it mean to have a non—london bias when you are reporting the news? the market for producing local news is as tough as it's ever been. so, how do you do it? today we hear from four people about their new approaches to reporting across the uk. let me int...

Plans to shift focus from the capital and i quote, "in a commitment to better reflect, represent and serve all parts of the country." when gb news launched it promised new voices from every part of the country, and to again quote, "reach out to nonmetropolitan audiences beyond london and engagement in our national conversation". well, the impact of covid and movements like extinction rebellion or black lives matter, those stories are better told if everyone has an equal stake in them, irrespective of where they live. so what does it mean to have a non—london bias when you are reporting the n...

More fairly and more more fairly and more equitably there need to be more reporting voices outside london. that seems to be the journalistic mood of the moment. the bbc in march announced plans to shift focus from the capital and i quote, "in a commitment to better reflect represent and serve all parts of the country." when gb news launched it, promising voices from every part of the country, and to again quote, "reach out to nonmetropolitan audiences beyond london and engagement in our national conversation". well, the impact of covid and movements like extinction rebellion or black lives mat...