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Once when trayvon was killed. the second time when he was acquitted, and now this third time. it's appalling. >> he's claiming there are allegations of fraud, witness tampering. defamation. what exactly is -- and what kind of merit is there to this suit? >> i have a problem with, if it has any merit. he's suing the family for defamation. the truth is a defense to any defamation claim. so he's going to have to overcome the truth. he's going to have to prove that they've falsely accused him of doing things that he didn't do, and it's just -- as a -- as a human being to do this to a family that h...

Problem with it, and i have an even greater issue with the attorney who would take this case. >> yeah. you're well familiar with many of these families that have lost their kids, unarmed kids, to gun violence. many of them police vile violence. when this happens and you have the audacity of a lawsuit like this what sort of impact does this have on those families? >> the family is already grieving. they still, they're still in mourning. so this just rips off the band-aid that they've tried to put on this terrible scar, and gets them to rehash all the issues that came up during the trial, during...