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No geographic or temporal or time limit. i think there has to be a limit. if we go to war -- i don't rule out airstrikes. if we're going to go to war, there needs to be a vote of the american people through their representatives. we need a consensus that, yes, it's worth dying to regain mosul even though shiites and people who live there aren't willing to fight for it. >> you have blamed democrats and republicans over the past year. that would include secretary of state hillary clinton. if she's a candidate for president and if you're a candidate for president, is this the main argument agains...

Republicans who face a challenge from their primaries when more voters come out on their anti-stance on immigration reform. to the point with the religious communities, there was a study that came out this week from brookings that found support not just for immigration reform but one that includes a pathway to citizenship is very strong among all religious communities except white, protestant, evangelical christians. so it makes you wonder how this rhetoric is affecting these communities. >> do they overlap with the south? it's one thing to have an identity community or faith community but whe...

For one thing, we can start exporting natural gas to europe and take some of the financial pressure off of them. but these are longer-term solutions. is this enough to change russian behavior in the next three to five years? very hard to say. >> and so many opponents of fracking, for example. >> exactly. but also, we have to remember, with russia, for the ukraineians, this is a major, major strategic objective for russia. they are not going to let this go unless the price is truly, truly severe. we're not resurrecting the cold war here. but you have to look at geographic, historical, cultural ...

>> some people talk about that. a lot of people talk about it with dread. but you do have that geographic -- it's really a division between west and east in ukraine. the people in the east basically aligned more with moscow, people in the west -- this is a broad generalization, but in a way it is true. so some have actually thought that perhaps it might be a terrible thing to think about, but it might happen. nobody wants that. but right now, i think as obama looks at this, his main issue really in that warning, i think, was to say don't send in the army. we're talk short term, what can you do...

Country being torn in half. is it possible the ukraine could end up divided, splitting apart? >> some people talk about that. a lot of people talk about it with dread. but you do have that geographic -- it's really a division between west and east in ukraine. the people in the east basically aligned more with moscow, people in the west -- this is a broad generalization, but in a way it is true. so some have actually thought that perhaps it might be a terrible thing to think about, but it might happen. nobody wants that. but right now, i think as obama looks at this, his main issue really in th...