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Has to be a party that is -- >> jim, it's my only form of fighting back. i couldn't be here if i did that. >> you won. you won the presidency. >> no, no, i did this before i won. >> that was a fascinating exchange there. what did you take away from it? >> you know what was most fascinating, throughout the interview, that was where he seemed most comfortable. he wanted that confrontation. he so believes that he is aggrieved, that he is like the victim of a media that's more powerful than him. and then he also concedes that i feel aggrieved, but i also feel like my base demands it. even if i did...

>> josh: i think his critics are going to find an area -- >> harris: do you think you should have held the rally after that? >> josh: i think one of the best things that george w. bush did in the aftermath is that he told everyone to live life like we are supposed to do, as americans. we won't let terrorism, anti-semitism in this case, or anything else, set us back. i think -- we are two weeks away from an election. the hallmark of this country is to be able to express profoundest agreements with each other without having to resort to violence. that's what separates us from everybody else. >> ...

Appreciated the import of the office. and the import of his position. and it always comes down to a competition and his politics. and he feels aggrieved. and i am sure that's how he sees this situation. he views it through a political lens. he's worried about the election. he wants to win the election, especially the congress. he's focused on the senate. and everything becomes political. and that then starts the anger all over again. we are in a destructive cycle. he doesn't like cnn. it's not -- he voices against cnn. cnn winds up a target of these attacks. it's not a coincidence. there are n...

Service to the country and also living under codes of honor, so when you see and hear the president saying this is a very difficult time for men in america, what message do you hear? >> john, when you step back from it, and what i saw yesterday, both in the afternoon piece you saw and in the evening piece at the rally in mississippi, it was part of a larger piece. as a candidate and now as president, mr. trump has appealed to fear and grievance and division, almost a cult of victimization, and on the international scene it's america the ripped off with regard to trade and treaties and alliance...

For his neediness and his penchant for exaggeration and for falsehoods. that he's built a world that is completely divorced from reality because the reality is he's not that smart or he's not that successful and he lost a lot of money over the years. last thing i think it comes back to, donald trump, he does not give up easily, and what he will say is look how i have paid back the american people. look how i have bequeathed this wonderful economy to the american people. what are you talking about 20, 30 years ago, somebody didn't pay some taxes? that's how his mind works. he is constantly the ...