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This isn't something which is just a tweet here or a tweet there. it's something that the president has had impact on and therefore changed the public discourse in our country for the worst. >> when the white house press secretary sarah sanders defends the president's retweet that he did it to, quote, start a conversation about border security and immigration, does that make any sense to you? >> no. i think it is an absurd justification. i'm sure she has the hardest job of anybody in the world but i think even in the list of desperate attempts to defend something that was indefensible, this wa...

The u.s. is incredibly important. and this president is undermining it and, frankly, the statue with which the u.s. has seen, for all of us who cares about this, it goes on every single day and eats away at the relationship and prestige with which the presidency and to an extent to which the u.s. is held. i think our relationship will outlast this president but in the meantime we're left with somebody who is not just doing this by accident. these tweets are not a mistake. they are a strategy. and he's done it with anti-semitic means and he's done it following the charlottesville neo-nazi march...

Difference with matt is if you look at -- obviously he had a big conflict with ann curry but the other women co-hosts that he had, katie couric and savannah, they are very close do him and very fond of him. they've always been friends with him. there was an element of comfort with him, at least at the top there that was unusual. i mean, you didn't get a sense, at least i never got a sense, that this was that kind of guy that women would be afraid of. >> uh-huh. we have spoken to some sources who did tell us kind of exactly what you were just talking about, bill, that one year he maybe perhaps ...

For other people who are not in that reality bubble, it's very disturbing. >> he hasn't said this publicly in a speech but the fact that he has said this to other people, he's the president of the united states. things are going to get out. >> right. >> it's just sort of stunning. >> well, also, the thing that we know about donald trump, he never says something to just one person. these conversations that he has are always with multiple people. >> he's trying it out with them. >> correct. he tests things. he sees how people react. he says it sometimes to make himself feel better. what we don't...

From the staff or leave under mysterious circumstances so there was a lot of fear because they were not sure how to react if he pursued them. >> i want to point out, one difference with matt is if you look at -- obviously he had a big conflict with ann curry but the other women co-hosts that he had, katie couric and savannah, they are very close do him and very fond of him. they've always been friends with him. there was an element of comfort with him, at least at the top there that was unusual. i mean, you didn't get a sense, at least i never got a sense, that this was that kind of guy that w...