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They dismissed that one. but let me ask you about whether -- you had heard or any of your colleagues had heard that the detainees, especially the five that would later be part of this swap, were separated by some accounts hours if not days ahead of the formal announcement? >> well, you have had one government official at least saying that we can't prove that this happened. but there's no reason to think that it didn't happen. so -- by all accounts, it seems likely that these detainees, you know knew before members of congress and they are yum bet this on capitol hill now. as you mentioned dian...

Renders his conduct reasonable. >> so let's talk about the what the negotiation is going to look like with justice. basically what they want to say is clemency's out of the question. he seems to understand that. he himself says is it worth serving some time in jail? he sort of talked about himself a little bit in the third person there. so clearly he's willing to accept some guilt, serve some time. where is the government going to be on this? how is that going to work? >> i think the first step to put in a neutral. if you let the people who has the ainge are toward the whistleblower runs negot...

They've made in some states. is that a fairway to read as a success or no? >> it's a trend in most of these social issues we're talking about. we're going in two different directions as a country out in the states. the red states are getting redder and more conservative on some of these issues and the blue states getting more liberal on some of these issues. with gun control, 80s one of those issues where all the passion is on one side and on the pro gun side and on the gun control side, it doesn't have the ability to produce votes or influence congress but you're right. at the state level and...

Any many pictures of kim jong-un. because of his trip, we did. we now know his ainge. he's going to turn three 1 next january. we didn't know he had a child till rod man said i held their child. so even though he goes there for his own reasons, we do learn something from these visits. >> propaganda benefits for the north koreans but might be important benefits for u.s. intelligence, for analyst who's study north korea? is that what you're saying? >> yeah, i this i publicly the government says we're not really interested in the visit, it's a private visit. i'm sure they're interested in watchin...

Sources tell me there's deepening anger and frustration inside the white house, throughout the administration about the embarrassing roll-out. republicans are pouncing, they're demanding that the health secretary kathleen sebelius resign and scheduling a house oversight hearing next week. we also have confirmation a little while ago that sebelius herself has not agreed to testify. she said she's too busy and won't be able to appear. that's only making republicans more ainge are you. what are you learning, brian? >> we've been speaking to those on the receives end insurance industry sources are...