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Russia just waiting for that to happen. >> we have to think about what we are doing there and how many troops you need to do it. we're providing air support among other thing, which we're not going to provide if we don't have air controller, people on the ground to make sure the air strikes go with this. where it's supposed to go. people developing intelligence so that we can use them against isis. if we pull troops out, even a small number, we only have a couple of thousand there. we pull them out, before we have an opportunity to consolidate gains, all will have been lost. >> it's five or si...

And isn't there a part of this decision that we don't know the answer whether or not it's going to be mission creep or something else? >> well, that's true. and also what i just said, i forgot to mention that the russians are over there too, so we don't know how we're going to be deconflicting with anything the russians are doing and what the ramifications are of russia somehow inadvertently or maybe intentionally doing, inflicting casualties on some of our americans. i think the biggest question for a lot of us, particularly those of us who served as advisers, is what is the role of these guy...

Large mortars out of this howitzer. it is the most likely scenario. that is what happens in terms of tracking u.s. troops in the fog of war that's what is likely to come out. >> give n everyone neknew the coordinates of the hospital hospitals with borders said you are bombing our hospital, after that call came in was there a decision that irrespective of the hospital that americans or afghan forces are being fired upon and therefore they had no choice? >> i actually went to the headquarters at the air force bases and it was hard to get through to that piarticular number. i was with the air con...

Large mortars out of this howitzer. it is the most likely scenario. that is what happens in terms of tracking u.s. troops in the fog of war that's what is likely to come out. >> give n everyone neknew the coordinates of the hospital hospitals with borders said you are bombing our hospital, after that call came in was there a decision that irrespective of the hospital that americans or afghan forces are being fired upon and therefore they had no choice? >> i actually went to the headquarters at the air force bases and it was hard to get through to that piarticular number. i was with the air con...

This was a big cargo plane. >> if you look at it, judge, you will see on the left-hand side there is what looks like a gun coming out. what happens is they are in a tight bag they are over the hospital like this. they would be responding to a forward air controller that would fire from this particular position which they can observe from this aircraft. they confirm the taliban had been operating in the perimeter. hospital. they were responding to live fire from the taliban. again this is much less of a precision weapon system when you used to have a big cargo plane with gunners going into the ...