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Paul wolfowitz earlier today, and he was saying expect millions more to come and deal with the same problem. what do we do? >> well, we have to have a strategy and we have to implement it and very frankly it's going to require some more american boots on the ground. not like we did during the surge but some air controllers, some intel, special forces. we had a hearing today, neil, i don't know if you have heard about it or not, where we had the general in charge of central command and a witness from the white house in charge of this kind of activity, and i mean it was really bizarre. let me ju...

Troops on the ground have more leew leeway. is that a good idea? >> they are suggesting we do tit for tat with the iraqi government. they are more able to go after the enmy. we will, in fact, consider putting more troops on the ground and putting terminal air controllers forward to control the operations. that's not something you want to do unless you are sure the iraqi army is going to fight for themselves. that's something of consideration as a course of action in the future. >> iraqis have to get responsible about it first. >> exactly. >> listen to trump. he has a simple strategy. >> take t...

Here, a lot of folks probably don't have a big stomach for putting a lot of americans on the ground. how many are you thinking about under your plan? >> it's a combination of, again, funding the indigenous forces there, the iraqi, kurds, jordanians as well as providing additional boots on the ground, number one to help coordinate the activities. more air strikes, a lot more air strikes that need to be done to soften up the isis positions. and, if necessary, to provide some boots on the ground to special forces primarily to help support these other indigenous forces. >> i want to make sure i'm ...

Provide a rescue? >> well, we -- ien wot go that far, we do already have troops on the ground in iraq, i think it's important to remember that. >> and we've seen some operations in specific cases in syria. >> but if we're going to get serious about stopping the islamic state, we're going to have to listen to our commanders who tell us, we need more specialized skilled soldiers on the ground like joint air controllers who help multiply the impact of our air strikes or special operations forces on the ground. that's not the kind of war you saw in iraq ten years ago, when i was there, heavy mecha...

And the air strikes we're doing right now are flaccid in terms of what needs to be done. third, immediately put u.s. advisors and air controllers on the ground with iraqi forces to include the forces and then facilitate his national salvation force plan for arming the kurds and his forces with egyptian saudi jordanian and ua support. they can do it. they claimed, in his words, your enemy is our enemy and we're not asking you to fight for us. we'll do the fighting, you just need to help us. >> against this backdrop we have news also this week that there are now plans to cut 40,000 troops in the...