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The alleged leader of boko haram is seen pledging loyalty to the catalyst of the muslims. what does it say about isis and how does it impact the fight regarding the brutal terror group? tom has written extensively on both of these groups. tom, good to have you here today. >> good to be here. >> what do you make of the loyalty from one group to another? >> i think it shows the proof that as the president's policy has been saying, that unless you very aggressively take down isis or begin to confront it actively on the battlefield in a strategy that is very obviously about destroying the group qu...

It made by the magazine writer. here's what he writes. credible estimates of how many troops we should send range from 10,000 to 25,000. it is imperative that u.s. advisers be able to operate on the front lines with the local troops they support in addition to sending advisers we should be sending joint special operation task forces. but what's wrong with that argument? >> to some extent it's giving them what they want. i was in afghanistan when kandahar fell, the whole country fell because of the way we're doing it now, with american air power, and guys on the ground who care about that count...

Follow the pattern we did in the early days in afghanistan. special ops, some air controllers, and let the locals carry the fight. >> given what we know about isis and reports that it is only growing in strength and in numbers, what do you see as being on the horizon if as you say, it's capable of being defeated certainly by the iraqi army any time soon? >> it's going to be on the horizon. endless fighting in that region. alex, it's been going on for centuries. it's going to continue to go on. we got to keep in mind american interests. that's no terrorist attacks on our homeland. that's got to...

Contingent out at the air base at -- outside of baghdad. al assad. and it's being shelled every day with rockets. look there are i believe, 3,000 there now. and they will have to be more because we are not gaining against isis. they are going to need more air controllers. they are going to need more trainers. so when the president says there is no boots on the ground. there is about 3,000 there now. the president celebrated when, quote, the last american soldier left iraq and declared victory. and obviously things have gone to hell in a hand basket. and it's important to note that the presiden...

Base at -- outside of baghdad. al assad. and it's being shelled every day with rockets. look there are i believe, 3,000 there now. and they will have to be more because we are not gaining against isis. they are going to need more air controllers. they are going to need more trainers. so when the president says there is no boots on the ground. there is about 3,000 there now. the president celebrated when, quote, the last american soldier left iraq and declared victory. and obviously things have gone to hell in a hand basket. and it's important to note that the president afghanistan, has just sa...