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We need to give the ukrainians which they need to establish a no-fly zone. not a needle no-fly zone. a new ukrainian no-fly zone. >> which is what's, how do we do that? >> we give them to principal things that they do not have at the moment. one is, higher altitude surface to air missiles. we've given them a stingers. that's great. a go up to about 10,000 feet. a couple of miles, but you want to be able to reach up higher into that air stack, stephanie, and knocked down russian higher flying jets, drones and missiles. that is, for example, the s-300 air defense system. kind of similar to the u...

Very concerned about. on the other side are the risks of not doing enough. and creating a scenario where putin can conquer the entire country. i think the administration has done a good job trying to sail that channel, but i would argue the risk over here on the russian side is less than the risk of not doing enough over here. so for one, i would advocate more surface to air missiles, higher reach than those stingers which are quite good under 10,000 feet. they need higher reach into the air stack and secondly i think we should continue to look at this idea of getting some kind of flyable jets...