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Bernie signed an identical jfa, they just didn't use it. so they had no financial leverage over the institution. i also think there are a lot of democrats who believed that at the top people like debbie wasserman schultz were clinton supporters and wanted her to win. the jfa itself, i think that agreement is in and of itself pretty boilerplate. they did it in 2012, bernie did it in 2016. >> why does donna brazile say -- >> i think this is exactly why there are a lot of people raising questions about the conclusion that donna came to. i think the facts out there, you know, it's sort of weird th...

Would agree to do this separate agreement, which is not the jfa, by the way, this separate agreement. i don't see any clear evidence that that separate agreement led to tipping the election. it's just not there. >> and i think we have to separate things. so you had the process and what was taking place underneath the roof of the dnc, and that's one thing. but you've got primaries and caucus in 50 states, and our election rules provide that those primaries and caucuses are largely run on a state by state by state basis. and there's no evidence that the dnc reached in artificially shaped the res...

Hillary clinton, that weren't there for bernie sanders. but at the end of the day the reason this was done, the dnc was in bad financial straight straits they needed in flux of cash and hillary clinton was in position of to do it. that's how the jfa benefitted her. the takeaway from donna it was unethical, but no way did dnc i find that hard to believe. if they're coordinate winning fundraising, that is the a finger on the scale. >> this is actually the document. it gives hillary clinton the right to participate in the naming of the director of communications for the dnc. can anyone here at th...

I also think there are a lot of democrats who believed that at the top people like debby wasserman schultz were clinton supports a supporters and wanted her to win. the jfa itself, i think that agreement is in and of itself pretty boilerplate. they did it in 2012, bernie did it in 2016. >> why does donna brazile say -- >> i think this is exactly why there are a lot of people raising questions about the conclusion that donna came to. i think the facts out there, you know, it's sort of weird that they would agree to do this whit the jfa, by the way, this separate agreement. i don't see any clear...

Deal. on the other hand, the clinton camp is saying this was nothing that bernie sanders wasn't offered himself. that bernie sanders campaign was offered to be a part of the jfa. what's your response to that, joint fund raising agreement. >> it's unfortunate they tried to go down this road rather than move forward. we entered into the joint fundraiser agreement to get access to the democratic party's voter file. we told the dnc very clearly that he was running a campaign that was focused on breaking of the corrupt ns campaign finance system and break the hold of big money on our politics. we d...