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Watergate, republicans will ultimately come around but recognizing that may be, in fact, a painfully slow sort of a process. >> nbc news, our colleagues on the hill, alex mo. senchts and kasie hunt have said 14 of them, you can see it here, is it a tenable position for the white house to say they're not going to cooperate with the investigations? >> only if they can get away with it. it's like a parent with small children. if you draw a line in the sand, you have to mean it. it's time for democrats on the hill to mean it or the white house will continue to get away with it. >> what's the end...

That happened as the house judiciary chairman was blasting the white house saying their claim that these house investigations are a do-over of the russia investigation was, quote, pre pos sper rouse. kasie hunt is on the hill. also joyce vance. kas kasie, you had a chance to catch up with jerry nadler. >> jerry nadler did speak with our colleague alex. i think the way he framed this conversation should underscore the way all of this is escalating between house democrats and the white house. quite frankly, after the initial barr summary letter, the chatter about impeachment got pretty quiet and...

Promise, and if he can't follow through with it now, they see it as the last best chance. that is why, it seems as though the president is wavering right now, and on a path forward. as you pointed out, andrea, we expect the meeting to get under way in short order. we will be tracking it closely here from the white house today, and fast-moving developments. >> and of course o, kristen and kasie, mark meadows who was on the short list of chief of staff he was weigh iing n and is that not the case of the freedom caucus, and the republican who is complaining about the short term deal? >> he was, b...

Hunt and there is sort of two different dramas playing out. one very predictable and one not and both sides of the capitol there, the senate, rand paul is trying to slow -- gun up the works and -- on the spending issue. and then house democrats -- rand paul being rand paul. and then the house democrats are debating whether they should kill it or not. so what do you know? >> reporter: chuck, this is really unfolding minute to minute here. democrats are meeting behind closed doors to try and decide what to do. we had sort of assumed that because nancy pelosi was behind closed doors in the leader...

Mike? >> well, greta, and, in fact, we do have the first reaction from kevin mccarthy. the majority leader of the republican from bakersfield, california, who is quoted in this washington post story saying, i think these two individuals, the president -- now president trump and congressman dana rower balker of california, i think they're paid by the russians or on the payroll of the russians. mccarthy telling our producer alex mo just a moment ago, it's a bad attempt at a joke. and, in fact, we also have comment or a statement from speaker of the house paul ryan who according, again, according...