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America, and the thing about our thresholds is we've never had a grass roots threshold before and i think it's really important. we look who won in 2008, what was the key to barack obama's success? it was mobilizing the grass roots. and so you have two pathways to the remembdebate stage. you have the polling. and if you don't make it on the polling, the alternative pathway is what we've outlined with grass roots. we didn't come up with that out of thin air. we looked at the public campaign finance laws on the books for decades and consulted with basically the grass roots fundraising center of ...

It was mobilizing the grassroots. and so you have two pathways to the debate stage. number one, as you point out, the polling. and if you don't make it on the polling, the alternative pathway is what we've outlined with grassroots fund-raising. we didn't come up with that just out of thin air. we looked at the public campaign finance laws, which have been on the books for decades and then we consulted with act blue, which is basically the grassroots fund-raising center of the democratic ecosystem. and we feel very comfortable that the grassroots threshold, it's not a layup by any means, but it...

Easy. if it were that easy, we would have done it. we have to deal not just with police tactics and intelligence tactics. but we have to get at the root causes. >> it does seem like a lot of -- the president referred to this person as a loser earlier today. and often when you look at the pattern of their life they are. they're petty criminals who haven't done anything. they dabble in drugs. they -- >> and were not particularly religious. >> of course. >> until just before they do the attack. they have this conversion to being highly religious or what they think is religious, and then they'll d...

Alternative pathway, employment perhaps, meaningful life, education, a chance to move up, you are not going to see as much of this. that's the problem in germany, in france, in the united kingdom. thankfully, it's not the problem here. >> as isis loses on the battlefield and they have strongholds in syria and raqqah. but is there -- it seems like they are encouraging people to stay where they are and do what they can. >> last two years, that's their message. stay at home. it's too dangerous to come here. if you aren't here, don't come. you can get a truck and you can drive into a crowd. you se...