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>> why did you recall the u.s. ambassador to ukraine? was she a problem? why did you recall her? >> i heard very bad things about her. i don't know if i recalled her or somebody recalled her. i heard very, very bad things about her for a very long time. not good. >> from rudy giuliani. >> i don't know if i recalled her or somebody recalled her. this is a purge. this is what happens. this is a president who doesn't trust people in government who haven't taken a loyalty oath to him. and he's allowed to appoint his own ambassadors and he as allowed to say i want my friends in an ambassadorial pos...

Dni job. joining me right now is former republican congressman and governor from south carolina mark sanford. he is also considering a run for 2020. congressman, thanks for being here. i do want to get your reaction to this move in general from the president. kaitlin collins reporting about the ratcliffe decision that folks around the president actually didn't think he was aggressive enough but then trump was so impressed by his performance in the mueller hearing that he decided that that is when he wanted ratcliffe for the coats job. what does that mean to you? >> what it means to me is that ...

It. >> the book is called "fit to serve: reflections on a secret life, private struggle, and public battle to become the first openly gay u.s. ambassador." ambassador james hormel, thank you for joining me tonight and thank you very much for persevering in that mission to get yourself to that ambassadorial post. i think we became a better country and it was an important historical achievement for us to have witnessed. >> well, thank you very much, lawrence. it's a pleasure to be with you tonight. and a privilege to be able to hear my story told. thank you. >> thank you. the campaign press is...

First openly gay u.s. ambassador." ambassador james hormel, thank you for joining me tonight and thank you very much for persevering in that mission to get yourself to that ambassadorial post. i think we became a better country and it was an important historical achievement for us to have witnessed. >> well, thank you very much, lawrence. it's a pleasure to be with you tonight. and a privilege to be able to hear my story told. thank you. >> thank you. the campaign press is still afraid to call a lie a lie. so mitt romney is not one bit afraid to lie -- about everything. from his first name t...

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