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Martial arts training. great to have officers have other things in their toolkit but right now it won't help us with violent offenses now. we have 12 and 14-year-olds with ak47 and shotguns shooting at officers right now. we have to get control of the criminal component. you can't show up with martial arts to a gun fight. that's ridiculous. >> harris: we're seeing an uptick in ambush attacks on our officers. the type of violence is shifting and see how they can meet that. that's some of what is going on in michigan and new york. lawrence jones, thank you for being here to go through a lot of i...

The job last year. the statistics come from the national law enforcement officers memorial fund and their president greg floyd joins me in a moment. he says the increase is disappointing and that sadly public safety is a dangerous job that can come at a very steep price. this year there were fewer ambush attacks on officers. those are targeting killings where assailants are seeking out police to kill. five officers killed in those attack this is year. compared to 8 last year and 21 the year before. a tense time that law enforcement experts were concerned that perhaps americans were turning aga...

President of the law enforcement officer memorial fund who track this is step. he says the falling crime rate does go hand in hand with fatalities. it goes with the ambush attacks. officers killed in ambush attacks peaked at 21, the highest in two decades. that dropped this year. the numbers are only a small part of the story. these are real people with of course real families. as we reflect on those who serve, we think it is important to hear from them. now a single parent to their 4-year-old daughter, she told us she still remembers the time his shift would ends and says i'm waiting on him t...

Alexander, the deputy mayor of new york. and served as president of national black law enforcement executives. and with me here, ari melbourne. you've written about this for the website, ari, what accounts for the downturn we've seen here in the last couple years? >> the short answer, we don't know about the decline of officers killed on duty by gunfire. that's on a report today. and we spoke to families of officers who were killed this year, and that number that you mentioned, down to 44, which includes eight ambush attacks which includes less from the prior year, we've seen those numbers flu...

Crime in major cities. on the police side, show the pictures. it's important. all officers killed by gunfire in the line of duty this year. you look at these faces, look at the people, you see a cross-section of the folks serving all around in every police department. those 44 people killed. you see them there. men and women. and what you also see with regard to the ambush is, eight ambush attacks killing officers this year. down from 21 in 2016, which reflected a very high number. then you broaden out to the other point you make. what's going on with crime in this country? this is something w...