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Tweet that happened before this gaggle started, is the president concerned that surveillance is being conducted against him at being conducted against him at the white house? -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> he did make clear in that tweet that he didn't have any recordings but he raised the prospect that somebody else might have them. >> again, i think that it's very clear what he meant there, but as far as -- >> who else would have it? >> surveillance -- i wouldn't know, jeff. mike. >> two questions. fist on health care if i can. since the president won't be weighing in specifically ...

In this or not. this is literally our first read. before we get down to the nuts and bolts of this thing, i want to get some very initial reaction from senator ben carden who i believe is joining us from capitol hill. senator, thank you for being here with us. i got to get your reaction to what you are seeing unfold on the senate republican side. you obviously have not been happy with how this has been created. will you have chances to make changes once it's out, that's what mitch mcconnell has been saying, the amendment process will go on this week. >> we will not have a chance to craft the b...

Negotiate over what's good, what's bad and what we can get in the bill to make it better. so yeah, i think it could take longer. >> based on what you've heard so far, how willing do you think mcconnell is to -- the kind of changes, we're talking big changes. >> well, you have to get to 50 votes. and if you've only got 48, i think that means you're going to need to negotiate. >> senator paul -- >> there's no what? >> if there's no hearing, will you refuse to wait on the bill. >> no hearing. >> no public hearing, will you refuse to vote on the bill. >> i was in favor of having committee approach...

There? >> i don't really think so. i would defer to the other two on that. i think really what you're getting here is political theater and leverage. it's a way to generate money and favors in the future. the value of these votes just went up substantially. this has nothing to do with policy or health care. i mean, the thing that's truly the most, both saddening and amusing about the entire process, as you know, is america had a beautiful health care system installed by twiegt eisenhower after world war ii where if you had a job, you got health care from private health insurance. it was a good...

Ron johnson, mike lee, these four republicans saying no for now. >> exactly. for now is the key. someone like rand paul, i personally, it's hard to imagine him getting to yes. maybe i'll be surprised. but it's hard to imagine, given everything that he has said up until now, him ultimately getting to yes. the others that you talked about have more of a chance. and the reason why they put this statement out so quickly is one, and that's leverage. they understand that it's not just this bill and that's it and they get to vote on this and it's done. there will be an amendment process. they will ha...