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Options here, one, donald trump either authorized trump to make those calls to the russian ambassador or, two, donald trump let a rogue, potentially compromised russian asset into the national security inner sanctum of the united states. mark, thank you for being here. what was remarkable to me in reading the story was just recalling the fact you have the former campaign chairman of the trump administration -- trump campaign, paul manafort, you have carter page, who is believed to have changed actual rnc policy concerning russia and crimea during the campaign and michael flynn, national securi...

The extent that's possible. but none of this would have happened unless russia had not supported separatism in eastern ukraine and continued to support, so it's important to keep that, i think, at the front of our minds. >> well, the question then becomes, if it is established that it was the rebels, again, the rebels deny that and right now we are going with unnamed officials talking about american intelligence, samantha power talking about american intelligence and ukrainian officials talking about ukrainian intelligence. if that is the case, though, i mean, why will this change anything for...