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State of the Union-20150524-16:11:00

forces because you can't train into someone the will to fight. they don't have the will to fight. this iraqi security force organization you do have people who have the will and the courage to fight, as we've seen time and again with the kurdish peshmerga. now these sunni tribes are asking for the equipment that they need to be able to protect their families and their communities -- >> hey, jim. >> -- and yet unfortunately we are still not taking care and doing the obvious. we have these boots on the ground there who are ready to fight. >> and we're going to have to wrap it up there -- >> jim, can i just -- >> well congressman, we've got to go. we appreciate your time. go ahead and jump in there if you've got something to say. >> let me say quickly, the american military wants to defeat our enemies and i think they're ready to go they're ready to be unleashed, which is necessary, and that's what they're called to do. >> all right. very good. and we're going to have secretary ash carter coming up in the next segment. and he's going to be talking about in some pretty stark terms that he believes that the iraqi

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State of the Union-20150524-16:05:00

but we're not going to put troops on the ground. in essence what the president did was say look we need to destroy isis unless that takes boots on the ground in which case the existence of boots on the ground is worse than the existence of isis. i think the president needs to stand in front of the american people and frankly lead on this and say look you know this is a cancer that's growing in the middle east. this isn't just a situation where if the house catches on fire it will burn down and we look at a burned down house. this is now a house on fire in a densely packed neighborhood where this is going to spread to other places. so i think we have to be very aggressive at stopping this cancer now in iraq in syria, in libya where it's existing and i think we have to show a big major blow to isis because right now you have a lot of people that are sitting in their basements looking on the internet that want to join isis not because they want to be martyrs but because they want to be part of something big. and until we show that the chance of martyrdom increases greatly by joining isis i think we're going to continue to see this problem with foreign fighters. >> it seems that we have a

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State of the Union-20150524-16:03:00

middle east. and republican congressman adam kinsing er kinsinger who served as an air force pilot in iraq. thank you very much congresswoman, congressman, for being here on "state of the union" this morning. let's get right to it. president obama said earlier this week that the u.s.-led coalition is not losing this battle against isis. congressman, i'll go to you first. is he right about that? >> clearly, isis has gained momentum in particular over the last week. as we've seen the ground that they've gained both in iraq and syria. and i'd like to just break it down to what i see as the basic problem here especially in iraq where we're seeing the sunnis continue to be persecuted by this central government in baghdad. their distrust for the central government this iranian influence, shia militia has really created a situation where just as a matter of survival

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State of the Union-20150524-16:06:00

strategy in place in terms of providing air support to the iraqi security forces on the ground or the peshmerga in the kurdish areas in the north but it doesn't seem that that is an effective strategy at this point, that it's not working. you can get into semantics as to whether we're losing or winning or failing, but that strategy just doesn't seem to work. what do you propose at this point? >> i would like to point out a couple things. i think there is definitely more we can do in providing the blows in the air strikes, but the iraqi government does have a choice, and they have a choice by arming directly the sunni tribesmen as your correspondent just pointed out. they are woefully underequipped. they have the will to fight and they are on the ground begging and saying give us the heavy weapons, the arms and ammunition that we need to be able to fight against isis. instead the iraqi government is relying completely on this iranian-backed shia military. the u.s. government is now saying well we're going to expedite more arms more ammunition these anti-tank weapons to the iraqi government when we see that these iraqi

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State of the Union-20150524-16:02:00

popular mobilization units and that is this iranian-backed shia paramilitary force. and it was largely due to them that they were able to accomplish these very small victories in the grander scheme of things. they are using the sunni tribes we're being told using them to hold ground. but these sunni tribes are very underarmed when it comes to the potential threat they might be facing by isis. the government at this stage has no choice but to use these unconventional fighting forces. as has been made painfully clear at this point the iraqi army does not have its own units directly under its own command that are capable of taking on an entity like isis. >> although there are some 3,000 u.s. military advisers in iraq the resilience of isis is fueling more questions as well as criticism about the current u.s. strategy to defeat the terror group. i'm joined now by democratic congresswoman tulsi gabbard, she served two tours of duty in the

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State of the Union-20150524-16:46:00

libya which has led to a vacuum after regime change that leads people to feel fairly unsafe. i think that's the stuff that voters are going to be caring about and making their judgments about whether or not she is somebody who is capable of being the commander in chief and making wise foreign policy decisions. >> not to look into the future chris, but do you think we're going to find anything in these e-mails? as kristin said these are the ones the clintons are giving us to look at. >> that's right. and what we've learned from how she e-mails is she's very logistical she doesn't talk a lot about her policy. there's not a lot of inner dialogue. she's not discussing kind of how she feels about certain issues and i think even though we have 30,000 e-mails still to come, i think that pattern will continue. >> kristin, penny and chris, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. next the history behind america's most sacred burial ground. it? why do we spend every waking moment, thinking about people? why are we so committed to keeping you connected? why combine performance with a conscience? why innovate for a future without accidents?

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State of the Union-20150524-16:32:00

from this congress to make those investments. so it's about resources and it's about how we coordinate better with local leaders to make a good impact on the ground. >> and i want to switch gears a little bit because it's memorial day weekend, to ask you about this issue of veteran homelessness which is an issue you have to deal with at the housing and urban development department. and according to your department veteran homelessness has decreased 33% since 2010 but there's still 50,000 homeless vets in america. we see them on the streets of washington. people will see them on the streets of washington as they head to arlington national cemetery for example, this weekend. what more can we do? for them. >> there's a lot we are doing and we are going to keep working hard. this is actually one of the best news stories out there. in 2010 president obama became the first president to say we are not just going to talk about reducing veteran homelessness, we're actually going to end it. and since 2010 we've seen a 33% reduction in veteran homelessness. mostly for two reasons --

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State of the Union-20150524-16:01:00

ramadi the capital of iraq's anbar province. and let's go to cnn's senior international correspondent arwa damon in baghdad. is isis being pushed back? is isis losing ground? those are two assertions that the white house was making last week to sort of cool down all of the second-guessing that's been taking place here in washington. what can you tell us from the ground there? >> reporter: first of all, one has to continuously keep in mind the battle lines here are constantly shifting and small chunks of territory do regularly go back and forth. following the fall of ramadi a week ago, isis did push into other smaller towns located to the east of ramadi. now, the iraqi government has managed to recapture some of them but not only on its own. you had a unit that was comprised of the iraqi army, plus, and was arguably the deciding factor in this, the

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State of the Union-20150524-16:18:00

only the iraqis can do that. and in particular, in this case the sunni tribes to the west. if there comes a time when we need to change the kinds of support we're giving to the iraqi forces we'll make that recommendation. but what happened at ramadi was a failure of the iraqi forces to fight. and so our efforts now are devoted to providing their ground forces with the equipment, the training and to try to encourage their will to fight so that our campaign enabling them can be successful both in defeating isil and keeping isil defeated in a sustained way. >> making sure i understand you, you are not at forward air controllers on the ground yet. >> we have not made that recommendation. >> and forward air controllers for our viewers would mean u.s. troops on the ground to help pinpoint those air strikes. joining me now to talk about all

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State of the Union-20150524-16:52:00

ground that george washington customeris george washington's grandchild the child he raised as his own son, when he inherited this property he built the arlington house on this ground we're standing on now that was the absolutely dominant terrain over the district of columbia. so at the start of the civil war in 1861 there's a military necessity that the army seize this property in order to defend washington -- >> the union army seize the property. >> yeah. >> reporter: the nation began memorializing its war dead at arlington in 1868. five years later an amphitheater was built to hold official memorial day ceremonies. >> this is the original amphitheater that was constructed in 1873. so five years -- so it was ready in time for the fifth decoration day. and on this rostrum every president essentially from 1873 through 1919 would have given a memorial day address here.

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