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Bill and lose 20 on their own side. when you consider that so-called amnesty provision, that inflames a lot of republicans and that is why people like steve king, the republican of iowa might be reluctant to vote for the bill along with his colleagues. >> there is all of ten, there is probably 20. if there is 25 or 26 the bill would go down. i kind of think that number could go up to 40 or even more by the time next week rolls around and they had a chance to see what is in there. >> so no one is exactly sure when they might vote on the bill. the republican leadership has been sketchy on that. ...

Topic. opponents of what they call the amnesty provision in some immigration reform bills rallied take here in washington. karl cameron is here to show us what happened. >> well, immigration reform is off to a pretty slow start in the house and isn't expected to come up for a vote until after lawmakers month long august recess. so if anything is to pass, it will have to be while congress is also dealing with all the budget and fiscal crises. not easy. a group called the black american leadership alliance held a jobs alliance urging to reject the reform bill as a job kill foreblack american wor...

>> they don't want to as if i will exactly. not only next n the midterm but going forward. democrats would love to be able to paint republicans as anti-hispanic. a lot of democrats are indifferent as to whether this goes forward. >> yours would be to pass it but how you would improve it? ? one way to improve it would be to expand the -- legal ways to come. particularly for low-skilled workers. think think that's a big deal. visas are not adequate for agriculture and that's -- becomes an incentive for more i will deal exactly. that's the problem with 1986 people talk about. they talk about the ...

Of u.s. history. >> well, it's a point we look forward to debating. in 1960 the average immigrant had about the same education and skill level of an american citizen. today immigrants have four times -- they are four times less likely to even have a high school diploma. now with all of our welfare benefits the arithmetic for immigration is totally different than it was before. so immigration has helped to build our country, but it's been a selective, lawful process. to come in and give amnesty to lower skilled, less educated workers is going to cost our country $6.3 trillion. we already have 1...

Away from immigration reform. >> josh, go ahead. >> there were elements within the democratic party, senator chuck schumer, who wanted to lead with immigration, do this, thought it was an issue that wins for them. remember also, george w. bush tried to do this and it failed in the senate, blocked by republicans. i don't know how plausible it would be to think that obama could have pulled it off. maybe he could have, come at the cost of health care, but the idea that it's this sort of obvious thing he should have and could have done i don't really buy. >> i think that it's a choice, right? it w...