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You stir the pot. >> i want him to come on and do the vicious "american idol" at the top of the show. >> can you do it? right into three. >> larry: this is "american idol." >> done, sold. >> then you can spar with him the rest of the hour. >> larry: you notice tension between him and him? >> it's not tension. they really are like brothers. i think that ryan likes to see what he can do to push simon's buttons and simon likes to see what he can do to push ryan's buttons. and they do it to each other. that's just the way they play. >> and to add to it, simon is the master at pressing everyone's b...

>> wait a second. who's the instigator. let's go back to that moment. >> larry: i heard him say madam. >> larry, you should just come join us on the show. you stir the pot. >> i want him to come on and do the vicious "american idol" at the top of the show. >> can you do it? >> i'll do it. >> right in three. >> larry: this is "american idol." >> done, sold. >> then you can spar with him the rest of the hour. >> larry: do you notice tension between him and him? >> it's not tension. they really are like brothers. i think that ryan likes to see what he can dopusimon likes to what he can do to push...