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but right now, south africa is in a big mess, with a protracted energy crisis, shocking levels of unemployment and inequality, and systemic corruption. my guest is the secretary general of the anc, fikile mbalula. is his party about to pay the price of failure? fikile mbalula, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having us, and welcome to luthuli house. it's a great pleasure to be here. how disappointed are you with the state south africa is in today? south africa is undergoing challenges like many other countries. but i think to put us into a category of a failed state, it's an exagge...

africans are _ hope from our government. south africans are realising _ hope from our government. south africans are realising that - africans are realising that they— africans are realising that they don't change the way they vote, _ they don't change the way they vote, south africa will end up in a _ vote, south africa will end up in a very. _ vote, south africa will end up in a very, very dark place. there _ in a very, very dark place. there will_ in a very, very dark place. there will be anarchy, there will be — there will be anarchy, there will be looting _ there will be ana...

with a protracted energy crisis, shocking levels of unemployment and inequality and systemic corruption. my guest is the secretary general of the anc, fikile mbalula. is his party about to pay the price of failure? fikile mbalula, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having us, and welcome to luthuli house. it's a great pleasure to be here. how disappointed are you with the state south africa is in today? south africa is undergoing challenges like many other countries. but i think to put us into a category of a failed state, its an exaggeration. er... ican give... but you think that's ...

Fikile mbalula knows the harder load—shedding hits south africa, the more damage it does to the ruling party. we are focused in terms of dealing with it. it is an achilles heel and i can't tell you tonight or any time that this is an easy matter for our government. surely, after covid—19, this is the biggest challenge that has actually faced us internally. it's very candid of you to say this is an achilles heel because achilles heels tend to bring people down and, if this continues, it will bring the anc down, won't it? it will affect the fortunes of the anc to achieve the outright majorit...

It's an anc government which can't keep the lights on and party boss fikile mbalula knows the harder load—shedding hits south africa, the more damage it does to the ruling party. we are focused in terms of dealing with it. it is an achilles heel and i can't tell you tonight or any time that this is an easy matter for our government. surely, after covid—19, this is the biggest challenge that has actually faced us internally. it's very candid of you to say this is an achilles heel because achilles heels tend to bring people down and, if this continues, it will bring the anc down, won't it? i...