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Contact with the white house it was with the understanding that nick ayers was going to be taking the job. i understand he couldn't make a two-year commitment, and so from there i think the president is evaluating a number of options. >> andy, what would the decision to pick somebody like mark meadows say, and what's your take on someone who is a hyper partisan fighter, mark meadows is out on cable news defending the president. he frankly works with the media quite a bit. what type of chief of staff would he be compared to, you know, the other molds? reince priebus and john kelly operated or r...

>> it's a good question. i'll try to be brief. you're right, it is -- howard baker once said to me, who was chief of staff to president reagan, a great leader and a good man, mac, you just got the worst job in washington. in many ways it's such a great privilege to serve the american people and the president. it is chief, but it's chief of staff, and it is the chief javelin catcher as andy noted. you catch those incoming spears, you have to make hard decisions, and you're going to get some criticism. by the same token you really have to remember why you're there, and that is to serve the ameri...

The president will find that he is completely consumed by helping to make government decisions rather than making presidential decisions. the president should not make governmental decisions. the president should make presidential decision, and the chief of staff should coordinate such that people do not force the president to make decisions that are not presidential. >> fair enough, although this president certainly seems to like talking directly to people on his cell phone. andy car the former chief of stuff to president bush, mac mcclarty thank you both. is the gop standing by their man? ...

But they also should have the trust and the confidence of the president when they do the job, and the president should give that person the authority to make penultimate decisions knowing that the president makes the ultimate decisions. the chief of staff should be given permission to make penultimate decisions that will help the president do a better job of leading the country and coordinating the aspects of dealing with allies around the world. >> do you agree -- there have been some conversations about this president not operating with a chief of staff, and some discussions around the idea ...

Staff not only for the work and responsibilities that andy thoughtfully outlined but also he needs a chief of staff to help him with what's ahead here in terms of these investigations, reviews from the democratic house, and also with the 2020 campaign on the horizon. so he needs a broad gauged chief of staff, but it is essential for any chief of staff to have a trust relationship with the president of the united states. there has to be communication. there has not been that for a sustained period of time with president trump's two prior chief os of staff. >> they have come out of it worse for ...