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Asylum claims to have been heard. the department of homeland security, they say they simply cannot deal with this massive influx. that the demand is just a way they have not been able to meet the demand. our ankle bracelets really the best solution that you can come up with? >> in previous years the government has used ankle bracelets and other things like caseworkers a check up on people were going to asylum hearings. and a lot of different programs a call alternative to detention programs. they have had a 90 or 99 percent success rate in terms of getting people to show up for court hearings ...

Reform? what needs to be done? >> i think they actually need to reform. if the government is going to keep separate families and keep apprehending families and putting them in detention. the government is simply not equipped to keep this large number of people who are mostly asking for asylum, in detention for lumpy times. they do this it has a responsibility financially anything morally for taking come -- there is no law that says they have to be detained while the cases are being heard. you can let them out on ankle bracelets or other monitoring programs. so that these problems, these deaths...

Backlogs and it's something that easily fixed here. you prioritize these cases, you release these people at home. they're in much safer conditions and it's much cheaper to the taxpayer and no less tough at the border. no less tough at all. >> any chance that that's an idea that gains some traction. >> well, i think that in the eyes of those people in the white house that want to send a message don't even try to come to america, it wouldn't work, but what john putt on the table is sensible. we've got smart ways to monitor these people. we could even put ankle bracelets on them. bring them into ...

She and the president created this directive. they're closing ports of entry. they're basically telling people that they have to turn back because the country is full. they're tear gassing families as they are trying to do it the right way. so they are forcing these individuals to seek and come into our border. so when secretary neilsen is saying that there's no other way, she is not levels with the american people. most other administrations, they have allowed team to cross legally and then they provide people with ankle bracelets so they can come back and hear their fair day in court. let th...

So, and in order to be able to tell where they are to be able to intervene this was the device that we came up with that was the answer. and for several reasons, number one, it is a heavy device, but it has a strap that is almost impossible to cut off which juvenile authorities will tell you the biggest problem that you have with monitoring children is they cut the strap off if it's a simple strap. steve: i understand the parent can turn on. there is a meek phone you can actually hear what is being said in the room. tom, what do you think about this? i mean, clearly frank makes it very abundan...