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Parent just because they say they are. >> there is also the issue of having to detain these families altogether. are you in favor of that, putting them on army bases, acting as armed guards in detention camps and so on? is that what you want to see in this country? >> what's the option, jim? what's your option? >> the option obviously is to release them and perhaps supply them with ankle bracelets so they show up. you would rather put them in detention than keep these families whole and in a situation where they're not being detained? >> so do you believe that they can't take the ankle bracele...

Subjective. you have a lot of criminals, you have a lot of people who just want to get into this country, and how do you prove that? and you don't. ankle bracelets and other means could be used, but for them to take the position that you can't detain them makes no sense. it takes time and it just goes to show they are against any type of detainment. they're against the ice agents that are doing their job. i think they ought to continue it and hopefully this ruling by the nine people in the other groups that joined will be overturned. >> eric: what would you say to the critics who say this is w...

Would bring their children here knowing that it's a possibility of being separated? i think he is right. i think the aclu is on the wrong side, as they are on most cases now. and hopefully we'll overturn the ruling. >> eric: as you know, these people say they are fleeing for their lives, persecution, gangs in central america, religious persecution, for example. the ruling -- before the ruling that procedure had been they get a hearing on a credible fear hearing and potentially be released. the judge says it is not fair or right. why can't the government do something else like have ankle bracel...

But women are not getting bond. >> andrea, clearly this administration is doing everything they can to detain individuals coming to the united states and seeking asylum. as we've talked about before, there's another way of doing this, ankle bracelets. it's not amnesty. it's just as effective as a security tool. but this administration is committed to doing this detention, seemingly at all costs. >> as someone who worked with i.c.e., you understand the mission of the agency. some of the i.c.e. employees, the officers, are uncomfortable being in the middle of this controversy. some democrats con...

For political reasons. let's put the politics aside. if you had a mandate to reform i.c.e., if there could be a democratic piece of legislation, i would say here's what we want to keep, here's what we need to change. what would i.c.e. 2.0 look like? >> well, i think i.c.e. 2.0 -- first we need to look how we use immigration detention. we adopted this concept we have to detain people to be tough. that's not true. advances in technology with alternatives to detention, ankle bracelets we can reutilize those technologies to have effective immigration enforcement without detention. i.c.e. does a lo...