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Ousted and it takes madison cawthorn talking about cocaine and orgies to get him tossed out so this is one who was willing to tolerate everything up until that moment. you don't have a liberal democracy that functions unless people are held accountable, and unless people are willing to stand up for the rule of law and defend the constitution. and if that becomes, you know, a death penalty issue for one of the major political parties, that's a very bad omen. >> and it is sort of this structural reality that i wanted to ask you about, anne, and how our allies and our adversaries look at, you kno...

And muscular patriotism on the other. the ukrainians are showing us a way to have both. they overcame their many political divisions, which are no less bitter than ours, and they picked up weapons to fight for their sovereignty and their democracy. anne, your piece tied my brain in a knot and i actually thought of something chris wallace said in this interview he did with the "new york times" over the weekend in advance of his sort of new role at cnn. and he talks about some of what you get at. it's not opinions and differences in ideologies and differences between how we should deal with our ...

Fully vaccinated, got his second booster shot the other day, and so he's well protected from serious illness. >> white house chief of staff ron klain, i hope you are too, my friend. thank you for spending time with us today. thank you. >> thanks for having me, nicole. >> joining our coverage, ann applebaum, author of "twilight of democracy," also joining us, msnbc contributors charlie sykes, editor at large of the bulwark and katty kay. charlie sykes, i'm going to start with you on both the policy and the psychology of gas prices. there is less that a president can do than people think, but it...

In ukraine, and what is undeniably the inspiring spirit and the fight of its people, as anne said, to defend and die for their democracy, anne reminds us in the "atlantic" today that all democracies must be defended and vigorously. that there are no rules, only enforcers that protect them against autocracy and autocratic forces and as ukraine as proven, she says, if it's strong enough, belief in one's democracy can be fiercer than its opponents and even its own political division. she writes this. quote, take democracy seriously. teach it. debate it. improve it. defend it. maybe there is no na...

It's not theoretical. it's very real. you know, people in ukraine are now dying to defend a political system that we take for granted. they're dying to defend an open society, the ability to choose their own leaders, the tradition of rule of law that they have struggled to reach for such a long time, and it seems to me this is a great moment to try and galvanize or begin that deeper conversation, and i just hope that the administration will seize it. >> yeah. and it's incumbent on everybody. the administration can lead it but you're so right. it's right there if we continue to pay attention. a...