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>> david, even if it doesn't enter the legal realm, just the fact that it does impact the president's credibility in the white house. >> no doubt. team trump took a credibility hit today in the face of jay sekulow, and it came from the white house podium. sarah huckabee sanders went out today and basically conceded that the trump team and his lawyer didn't have the truth in the initial telling of this. remember when sarah huckabee sanders first spoke about this, she didn't know. she didn't know if the president weighed in, she would find out and get back to us. today, she says he weighed in, "...

>> let me attempt to unravel this pretzel. because this is something we've seen from the white house periodically. it's a three-step process. the white house lie loos and then the facts come out and the white house tells you don't worry about facts. what we know is this meeting was not about russia adoptions. and what do we dedeuce from that? the president lie said. and sent his own attorney on tv on sunday morning on face the nation, state of the union and gave up all of his credibility because he lied to. and to answer david's question. why would you lie? in this situation when jared kushner...

>> let me help my colleagues to the right on me, both on this panel and literally, attempt to unravel this pretzel. this is something we've seen from this white house periodically. the white house lies, then the facts come out, then the white house tells you don't worry about facts. what we know to be the truth is that this meeting was not about adoptions or russian adoptions. we also know that the president dictated that statement. what did we deduce from that? that the president lied. he lied and sent his own attorney, jay sekulow out on tv on "meet the press," on "state of the union," and h...

Everything that's going on around the world with north korea, with isis, with iran, how will you ever trust the words coming out of this president's mouth when the american public is going to need to trust him most? i mean, that's the question. you want to say that it's frivolous or you want to say that it's -- we're all looking for this conspiracy theory. what if i give you that? the fact is, we know the president misled the public. what happens when we need to trust him? >> i didn't say it was frivolous. i'm well on the record -- these investigations need to go forth and the best thing for t...