Now she's two young ladies say, look, they believe in policy, they believe in legislation, they believe in court decisions but they do not necessarily believe the words coming out of politicians' mouths, including the president of the united states, but they do realize that they have to convince legislators to make laws so that they can come out of this legal limbo that they're living in, and i do want to mention this, they have been coming to washington with another group of people regularly knocking on doors physically, trying to talk to legislators to get them to see it their way. jake? >> ...