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Fed up, at their wit's end. what do you say to americans? >> i -- i -- i can understand that. and -- and you know, i think that the -- the testing thing still sort of baffles me as to how -- i mean, i think this is the original sin. and -- and in in medicine, you have to really diagnose a problem to best address it and we still don't really have clear eyes on -- >> i mean, it's nuts that we are still talking about not enough testing. i mean, this has been from day one in the old administration. i mean, it's ridiculous. >> it -- it is and i -- i'm not sure why it still continues to be this big ...

I'd like for the -- the five days to at least be amended with, and after the fifth day, thou shalt take a test and show a negative test or two before being released. so, as long as you say, look, if you have no symptoms and you test negative, then five days according to most people i talk to feels like it's going to be sufficient. there are people that are infectious after the seventh or eighth or ninth day. but generally speaking, they are going to test positive in an antigen test, and/or they are going to be feeling symptoms. so i think -- i wouldn't just take five days in a vacuum. but five...

To face. vaccinated, unvaccinated. we need to get our booster, we need to have plans if we do get sick in a high-risk group we can get antibodies or those oral antiviral therapies. >> dana: some of the things the government needs to step up but what you are saying here we see no signs of that. no urgency. old language being recycled. >> we're not. look at the cdc new recommendations. after five days if you can find the tests and if you want one go take an antigen test. that's not a recommendation. how about say if you can find a vaccine and you want to take one. no, make a recommendation. the ...

Of transmitting the virus. dr. wallensky was pressed with why no tests is required to confirm an all clear. >> antigen test was not authorized for this purpose. it's information whether or not useful regardless of what the antigen test said, we would say you still have to wear your mask for five days. >> those antigen home tests which have been less in supply and less able to detect omicron. lauren johnson took four of them and came back negative and still she got a pcr. >> my pcr test was positive. >> you can have what's called a false negative and that can give you a false sense of confidenc...

We've been trying to do most of isolation for 14 days. many people with this new omicron variant get asymptomatic infections. and as you just showed, multiple examples of the rather severe disruption of society from people who are out of work because, in fact, they are infected. so they were trying to strike a balance. how do we do good public healtha principles at the time we don't have to get to the point where you're forced to essentially shut the country down?t and the decision was made that for people who were asymptomatic, that they should go into isolation for five days. and if they rem...