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In. our situations the faster he's finally did was he remains to be seen whether he's acting correctly. well indeed many observers are saying are hoist taking a risk barbara do you think that the measures by madrid could actually backfire and actually fuel separatist sentiment in catalonia further. in a way of course that's right because people that were not unified in this pro independence camp before feel energized now and they sort of feel they need to march together so that's one aspect whether this really changes the will and the idea of the other half of the catalog population who is aga...

Happen if spain senate approves roy's decision to trigger article one fifty five. senators are due to vote on friday roy's conservative people's party holds a majority of the senate seats well for more we're joined now by d.w. barber of easel in barcelona and journalist martin roberts his in madrid thanks to you both for joining us martin i'd like to begin with you what do you believe raha is really trying to do here is he trying to drive a wedge between those for and against independence for catalonia now i think it's pretty straightforward he's made. wants to stockhausen not you from trying ...

Just a couple days ago who called himself catalan foreign ministers they have a diplomatic representations in a lot of european cities and even beyond that so they are really really trying to prepare for independence they were playing at being a state a nation state and so the point came where he really pushed it and of course the final clash was madrid occurred. martin turning back to you now assuming roy's plans are approved by the senate later in the week just how does madrid intend to actually enforce these measures and do you think the central government is prepared to use force. i'm sure...

What would happen if elections would come very soon and whether the pro independence camp would even be the victories of this it is it's clear the camp is galvanized but whether anybody came and changes changes opinion it's quite. well barbara clearly the crisis is fueling uncertainty in catalonia many businesses and banks have said they're going to leave the region because of this uncertainty but how much of this crisis can be blamed on the catalan leader quite a lot because he really tried to push things he really brought this to a head we have to consider that during the last two years the ...

A big majority it's propped up by radical left wing party constantly pushing for independence and we don't know how this party would would emerge from elections so it is quite uncertain and it may be that anton independence camp brings up somebody who sort of can energize and galvanize people so everything is to play for at this moment all right barbara vale in barcelona and martin roberts in madrid many thanks to you both. well now to some of the other stories making news around the world and voters in the northern italian regions of long party and veneto are holding non-binding referendums a...