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Believe this they defeated that budget, we will thought have a shuttle program. what would you have said? >>guest: i would have been very disappointed because the apollo 18, 19 and 20 were canceled and we would not have a follow on program, we would have been dead in the water. i thought that's where we were last year with constellation but we got, fortunately, a little bit of revival, if you the, and nasa is still working on in deep space project. at least the vehicles. >>neil: you never know, you are right. you are a genuine hero, my friend, thank you for some very good memories. though were...

Out of the area and we need leadership, whether we go back to the moon or mars how it will be used. >>neil: do we need a big j.f.k.-type goal in do we need a focus or was the only reason we had a focus 50 years ago today was the soviets were beating our butts? >>guest: that is true. and that was the focus, the whole part of apollo was political but it turned out to be a tremendous scientific program for the benefit of all mankind and i think we do need a far-reaching program that looks beyond our orbit. we have a space station going on and nasa's plans to use commercial vehicles of some sort t...

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