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Jon: obviously, you were part of america's successful moon program, apollo, back in the '60s and '70s, part of that apollo 13 crew that had that enormous problem in space and was able to the overcome it and get back to earth safely. you know the feeling among some americans. we've been there to the moon, been there, done that. maybe, they say, this is a program that could go by the boards. >> well, i don't think they understand the real value of the, of the program and the sort of the other aspects. for instance, the program was never designed to be a spur to education, but it has really cause...

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That anywhere hadn't been done before. >> the apollo astronauts were american heroes. >> that's what we're being asked to do. ours is not the reason why. it was to do or die. >> we choose to go to the moon and do the other things. not because they are easy but because they are hard. >> did you actually ever think you might die? >> we thought our chances were about 50/50. >> did you really? >> today spending on nasa and the globe privatizes. >> the eagle has landed. >> we are reminded what it was like to fly to the moon. >> we were in the touchdown service. how did that make you feel? >> humble...

Astronaut, not a cosmonaut, would be the first to fly around the moon. >> it was one of the big gambles that nasa at the direction of the president took in order to establish that america was better than the soviet union. >> a big gamble indeed. and for all, it was less than two years before that apollo 1 demonstrated just how complex every mission was. nobody knew that better than frank hormen, the point man in the apollo investigation. nasa tapped him to man the latest mission. >> i was called back, will you volunteer to take apollo 8 to the moon? i said, yes, we would be happy to. we found ...

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