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In, and made him answer some tough questions. i think we will always wish that had happened. but the director's point is worth listening to. he said, page 13, volume ii, and look at appendix c to the whole report. he said very clearly, they believe there was sufficient and substantial evidence of the president's intent. and so i think what he's trying to say is we already had it. >> you know, it's interesting, though, what mueller is saying about subpoenaing the president in time is sort of the same argument being made about impeachment versus no impeachment versus the 2020 election. fair? >> ...

>> the expectation was if we did subpoena the president, he would fight the president and we would be in the midst of the investigation for a substantial period of time. >> right. but as we sit here, you've never had an opportunity to ask the president in person questions under oath, so obviously that must have been a difficult decision. and you're right, appendix c lays that out and indeed, i believe you described the in-person interview as vital. that's your word. and, of course, to be clear you had the authority and legal justification to do it. as you point out, you waited a year. you put ...

Report. we're going to put it up on a slide, i think. according to deputy campaign manager rick gates, in the summer of 2016, he and candidate trump were on the way to an airport shortly after wikileaks released its first set of stolen emails. and gates told your investigators that candidate trump was on a phone call, and when the call ended, trump told gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming, end quote. do you recall that from the report? >> if it's in the report, i support it. >> okay. and that's on page 18 of volume two. now, on page 77 of volume two, your report al...

Appendix c, specifically c-13, states as much. according to page 100 of volume two of your report, your investigation found that hope hicks, the president's communications director, in june of 2017 was shown emails that set up the trump tower meeting, and she told your office that she was, quote, shocked by the emails, because they looked, quote, really bad. true? >> do you have the citation? >> sure. page 100 of volume two. while you're flipping to that page, director mueller, i will tell you according to page 99 of volume two, those emails in question stated, according to your report, that t...

Of the investigation. >> was that -- >> i was going to say, the expectation was if we did subpoena for the president, he would fight it and we would be in the midst of the investigation for a substantial period of time. >> as we sit here, you never had an opportunity to ask the president in person questions under oath. so obviously that must have been a difficult decision. you're right, appendix c lays that out. you described the in-person interview as vital, your word and you made clear you had the authority and the legal justification to do it as you point out. you waited a year, negotiated,...