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The u.s. attorneys that work on that case thinking the roger stone trial, for example, and obviously it's not like they just turn off the lights and roger stone's free to go. there is no big kind of elephant in the closet so to speak that is about to come walking out. >> all right. that is an important thing. there is a lot of speculation in the air on that. an important moment there. tom, thank you. and control room. i was trying to send you signals. the president today, nicole, today went after bob mueller again. >> that's the point. and so, you know, it's nice when congress is trying to say...

The department of justice, the attorney general this particular case, where the deputy attorney general because of the recusal the session, appointed him. they can't come in and say "we wanted to pick and choose who gets protected." >> harris: here's my point, and i want to ask you, lisa. is it stronger to have your majority leader burned some of his powder now and block this, or do you think this should go through and let republicans -- it looks like you have the votes anyway. they can caucus in that anteroom and find out. we saw that on tv. they go in there, they can teach others hands in th...

Undone some civil rights initiatives in the department. but i never have doubted that jeff sessions loves the department. loves the lawyers who work there. and was very honored to be in that position. and humbled by being in that position. so, you know, after several weeks of -- and months, in fact, of being humiliated by the president who appointed him, being taunted by the president who appointed him, i think it's fitting he got a graceful exit such as it was. >> yeah. it was graceful. evan, you've got some more information, too. >> that was a staged event, obviously. there was an attempt by...

Come. harry, i'm going to rely on you a little heavy. you know him. i want to talk to you about the 2009 minnesota law review and also having served in both the george w. bush and h.w. bush but a much larger role in the george w. bush administration. >> that's right. the george w. bush administration, he's staff secretary. all piece s of paper go through him. he was technically in the george h.w. bush administration, but he was really a one-year fellowship in the solicitor general's office. of course, the solicitor general who appointed him, ken starr. >> as i'm reading this 2009 minnesota law...

A much larger role in the george w. bush administration. >> that's right. the george w. bush administration, he's staff secretary. all pieces of paper go through him. he's married in the white house. he's in the middle of things. he was technically in the george h.w. bush administration, but he was really a one-year fellowship in the solicitor general's office. of course, the solicitor general who appointed him, ken starr. who later became independent counsel. >> as i'm reading this 2009 minnesota law review, basically what it's saying is the president's job is so unique and so unusual, it's s...