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Joining me now, dante chinny and usa today's washington bureau chief, susan page. i got the little thing here so we can mess around here a little bit. but it's sort of two different greens here when we're talking about these hispanic centers that you talk about here. the sort of what's happening on the mid-atlantic is in one place and what's happening in the deep south. >> yeah. and when you talk about what's happening west of the mississippi, over here, what you're really talking about is places that are large hispanic populations, lots of foreign born. again, 20% foreign born. but it's -- ag...

I've heard birthers say, oh, they fabricated the long form. they fabricated the live birth certificate. these folks will not believe anything. so all you're simply doing is lending legitimacy to their nonsense. >> it is interesting, and you're conservative, you've come out pretty strongly against the birthers. you say they don't represent the movement. i've received a lot of vitriolic e-mails from birthers. >> should be both. >> they seem to change the game mid stride themselves say even if there is a birth certificate, because barack obama had a father born in kenya, and is therefore only had...

Therefore only had one parent who is an american, under this philosopher who the founding fathers listened to, that is not the definition of a natural born citizen. in truth, anyone born in america, even if their parents aren't citizens, is a citizen. >> john mccain who wasn't born in this country but born of two american citizens is an american citizen. mitt romny is a citizen. these people are masters of moving the goalpost. if jesus christ came back tomorrow surrounded by angels and said barack obama is a citizen, they would say it is the antichrist. >> what do you think is behind -- what d...

Certificate. these folks will not believe anything. so all you're simply doing is lending legitimacy to their nonsense. >> it is interesting, and you're conservative, you've come out pretty strongly against the birthers. you say they don't represent the movement. i've received a lot of vitriolic e-mails from birthers. >> should be both. >> they seem to change the game mid stride themselves say even if there is a birth certificate, because barack obama had a father born in kenya, and is therefore only had one parent who is an american, under this philosopher who the founding fathers listened to...

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