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To get us off fossil fuels. this is like we're going to boycott the boycotters. the idea is that like if you listen to those woolly headed activists trying to get you off oil and gas, we the state of arkansas will no longer invest in your thing. >> right. and the irony is that these companies aren't doing that, right, the 60 biggest financial institutions have spent $3.68 trillion to finance fossil fuel projects so it's responding to a problem that just doesn't exist. the financial sector is not taking climate change seriously and at the sort of inkling that they could you see republicans tryi...

Kicked off and something companies don't want to deal with it. they are going to get cases and breakthrough cases and disruption and contact tracing and it may be something that's too hard of a burden for them to have and work from home and distance and remote learning and all of that seemed to have worked in the workplace better than it has for schools, so this might be something that they want to continue to do because so much is uncertain about the trajectory of the delta variant and what the status of the vaccination, vaccination levels will be in the population. neil: what do you make of ...

If you will. >> got it. >> i'm sure that's not his choice, to leave the united states right now. that's what he's doing. i think the message there is, obviously, what mueller has been saying all along through the charges that he has brought, which is -- >> don't lie. >> don't lie. the department of justice depends upon the integrity of witnesses. people are asked all over the country every day to talk to investigators, to be honest. that's a foundation of our justice system. and if lawyers, in particular, aren't doing that, you know, that's a really bad thing. >> mimi, thank you very much. gar...

Fools or demagogues or terrible people and they pay a price for that. i don't think you understand what it takes to be a public servant today. >> a robust democracy needs a free media, needs a robust media. >> yes. >> that's what we're doing responsibly, accurately. there are elements out there that aren't doing that, but we certainly are. jane sanders, as usual, a good conversation. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. bye-bye. just ahead, a pennsylvania courtroom awaits a decision in the bill cosby trial. the jury said it was deadlocked and the judge asked jurors to keep deli...

You want to see his administration do? what's your number one ask? >> it's tax reform and policy that embraces building the middle again. >> isn't that what he ran on? >> yeah, but the policy, not personality. >> okay, so it sounds to me like you're saying, he said that when he was campaigning. the policy proposals you're seeing aren't doing that, aren't building up -- >> not yet. not yet. you can't -- you can't cut dramatically the safety net programs that the administration is proposing to cut and then say that you're building the middle class. >> well, will the white house hear from you if ...