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Cyclical. we haven't had a recession in a long time because the last one was so deep and took so long to come out of. but presumably there will be a recession, then you wonder how the sort of blame switch gets flipped. >> i don't wonder. he'll blame president obama. he'll take credit for the economy and the bailout and all the things that led to the economy improving. he'll take credit for it. the problem for democrats is they need to fight back. they can't let his messages and what he says go out and not push back against these messages. i'm saying trump supporters, yes, they'll believe whate...

Looks much better than it was. then you zoom in and there's huge pockets of the cntry that aren't doing well and all sort of disibutional problems which is a position the democrats got caught in a little bit, this year being like telling people it's okay. >> right. just a quick, look at the economy bill clinton gave george w. bush. >> very good. >> democrats are very good at handing off robust economies and we cross our fingers. the last one was kind of driven into the ditch. you get the sense he's been surrounded by these sycophants for 30, 40 years. every trump organization idea that worked ...

One thing we've seen from the president-elect so far is he won't be shy calling out -- whether it's taxpayer fraud or abuse or certain deals put together that aren't doing right by the taxpayers. we saw it as he started calling out specific examples. that's what taxpayers can count on, he won't be shy. quite frankly, that's part of the reason why people voted for him. >> let me ask you about kanye west who made an appearance at trump tower. e! news is reporting that he and the president-elect discussed him becoming, quote, an ambassador of sorts. what do you know? >> well, this is one of the -...

Aren't doing very well right now. they were playing the packers last night and it was definitely a rough night for brian hoyer. he took a huge hit from clay matthews in the second quarter, had to leave the game with a broken arm. despite that, the bears were winning this in the third. aaron rodgers got hot late, threw three touchdowns. packers win, 26-10. the cleveland indians back in the world series for the first time since 1997. immediately, fans began posting on social media they wanted possibly the greatest indian of all time to throw out the ceremonial first pitch in game one. that's r...

Substantive debate. >> biggest thing that got left on the table tonight that you still want to address with the american people? >> income and wealth inequality. i don't think we spent enough time on that. to my mind it's the great moral issue, the great economic issue and political issue. we should not be living in a country where the top one-tenth of the country owns as much wealth as the bottom 90%. that is just not right. >> income inequality. he had a laser-like focus on that last night. that is his battle cry. it works for him. he seems obviously very authentic when he talks about it. he...