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To be united around that concept and not let other things get in the way. at least around that we must be united. >> why do you think republicans can't get behind that? >> i think we are incredibly polarized as a country right now. many have seen the pugh diagram that shows that the parties were mostly ideologically overlapping in 2004 and before that. now they are moving to the extremes. there is still a space in the middle of people who aren't ideological. they aren't caught in the orthodoxy of partisanship. they want practical evidence based policy making. they agree on a lot of issues. but...

If we want to protect america, protect a free america, we have to be united around that concept and not let other things get in the way. at least around that we must be united. >> why do you think republicans can't get behind that? >> i think we are incredibly polarized as a country right now. many have seen the pugh diagram that shows that the parties were mostly eye deyojically overlapping in 2004 and before that. now they are moving to the extremes. there is still a space in the middle of people who aren't ideological. they aren't caught in the orthodoxy of partisaninin shhh. they want prac...

You know. >> if i hear that. >> he does not talk like that. i want to say really quickly. alex is screaming in my ear again, what trump proves to me is what i said since my first election when i ran 22 years ago, americans just aren't ideological. they just aren't. at the end of the day, they vote on gut. i always tell the story about i campaigned for a year-and-a-half. i knocked on 10,000 doors, i sweated in the hot florida sun and then i went to wave right outside the both. right outside the voting center and i saw the people coming in. and i just turned around and i walked to my car and dro...

The activist types. they don't feel like their party leaders are necessarily doing all that much to advance their agenda. look at obamacare, it's turned out to be a complete disaster. everyone put their hopes into that but they wanted a single payer. they didn't get single payer. >> she's going to have to run repudiating a lot of this stuff just to build a base among the independents and among people who aren't ideological. she's going to get all the left wingers as much as they complain about her. they're still going to vote for her. >> they hate tea party types and conservatives more than th...

The activist types. they don't feel like their party leaders are necessarily doing all that much to advance their agenda. look at obamacare, it's turned out to be a complete disaster. everyone put their hopes into that but they wanted a single payer. they didn't get single payer. >> she's going to have to run repudiating a lot of this stuff just to build a base among the independents and among people who aren't ideological. she's going to get all the left wingers as much as they complain about her. they're still going to vote for her. >> they hate tea party types and conservatives more than th...