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Unconventional campaign, as mark block says, and he's doing amazingly well for now. >> bill, perry is trying to get back in this, though. perry has said, let me try to pick a fight with romney. he came in swinging almost recklessly. watch this. >> you can't be for banning guns and then all of a sudden you're, you know, for the second amendment. you can't be for the issue of abortion -- he says, listen, i need to say whatever i need to say, for whatever office i'm running for. how do you change at the age of 50 or 60 positions on life? positions on guns? positions on traditional marriage? i mea...

Says, listen, i need to say whatever i need to say for whatever office i'm running for. >> bill: wow, that's pretty strong though, how you can respect the guy? that's not texas strong. >> that's his words he said that. >> bill: some people are okay with people evolving and some people aren't. where do you stand? >> right. well, i have been consistent all my life. i have always been pro-second amendment. i have always been pro-life. >> bill: people -- where do you stand on people evolving or people standing firm? where do you stand on that? do you respect evolution that the governor might have ...