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Part of that sequence? yes. are these two works behind you, part of that sequence?— part of that sequence? yes, i do not know _ part of that sequence? yes, i do not know if— part of that sequence? yes, i do not know if they _ part of that sequence? yes, i do not know if they are - do not know if they are finished yet but they are part of the icecap melting. we are destroying everything, aren't we? , ., we? do you feel it is that bad? i feel it in _ we? do you feel it is that bad? i feel it in my _ we? do you feel it is that bad? i feel it in my bones. _ we? do you feel it is that bad? i fe...

Almost incomprehensible. but you mean when you, literally, you start to draw with your left hand, you're not quite sure where it's going and what's happening? exactly so. let's talk about your work and i want to begin with your most recent work, because you have continued painting right through lockdown. you even had a show in lockdown and you're still at it every day. has what's happened to the world in the last year and a half, has that affected the subject matter? well, at the beginning of lockdown, i made a self—portrait, angry, because a lot of plans were up in the air. you know, i was ...

And billions of dollars. and the reality is with climate change we're just going to see more and more idas, aren't we? >> i mean, climate change i can certainly say the effect of these hurricanes is going to be worsened because for example sea level rise is going to increase because of climate change and that has severe consequences on the impacts of these hurricanes. not only that, we have barrier islands, we have marshes, we have buffer zones that are getting destroyed because of climbed change which otherwise would have reduced the impact of these hurricanes. so without them we are exposed ...

Were up in the air. you know, i was going to show in new york and one thing and another. i mean, like a lot of people, i felt very angry at everything suddenly stopping. and then, of course, it was marvellous. there were no aeroplanes, there wasn't much traffic and you could hear the birds and it was very good not having to see people one didn't want to see, you know? so, less anger now? mm... well, i think anger is quite a good thing. anger is energy, anger about things that happen in the world. that's all part of it. well, i do want to talk about the way the world is going, and your view of ...

So it's quite obvious to make a drawing. but it's not necessarily a time or a moment where... ..where you feel like working, cos it is sort of work as well as an act of love. but it's the last time you see the person and this whole thing about death, i mean, if you love someone, they... for anyone, they go on being alive inside you, don't they? tell me about the shift from being a pure painter to then embracing sculpture as well. why did you move in that direction? well, i was painting a painting which... it was during the laugh paintings, which i painted in the �*90s when everything was doo...