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The rise of populism and nativism really, which they rather go together, the rise of nativism is having an impact on the politics, even if the candidates aren't winning. >> do you concur with that? >> i completely agree. macron's party is a new party and it remains to be seen whether in the parliamentary elections next month whether he can get a proper group of parties to work with him or not. the other thing that's important is that of the 20 million voters who chose mr. macron in the runoff, 43% only did so because they wanted to stop marie le pen. and only 15% say they back his policies. th...

Victory. they won't happen for now. >> gillian, i want you to react from something we saw from former secretary of state condoleezza rice. this was an interview with usa today. she talked about the impact of nationalist nativist populist candidates in races, what we should and should not glean from that. >> i think we make a mistake if we see populist candidates who don't win and then we think it's had no effect. the rise of populism and nativism really, which they rather go to together, the rise of nativism is having an impact on the politics even if the candidates aren't winning. >> do you c...

To come in the european union. one possibility was a frexit, the word used for the potential departure of france from the year peen y european union. >> this was an interview with condoleezza rice with "usa today." she talked about the impact of nationalist, nativist, populist candidates in races, what we should and should not glean from that. >> i think we make a mistake if we see populist candidates who don't win as then we think it's had no effect. the rise of populism and nativism really, which they rather go together, the rise of nativism is having an impact on the politics, even if the c...

Anti-establishment mood. >> i really believe that these populists are changing the character of the politics just by being there. even mainstream candidates are having to respond to their agenda. you see fewer people talking about free trade. you see countries talking about industrial policy and protectionism. it's hard to defend immigrants almost anyplace in the world today. and so the rise of populism and nativism really which they rather go together, the rise of nativism is having an impact on the politics even if the candidates aren't winning. >> that's interesting point from the former se...

Support me, if you support bernie sanders for president. you should pressure bernie to support these same ideas on guns. he is saying to hillary clinton supporters, hey, you may not support me for president. you may support hillary clinton for president. if so you should pressure her to support policies on guns. so that is an ernest effort from martin o'malley, not just try to compete for the democratic nomination, which she's trying to compete for, but to make sure that the fact that he's in the race matters. is making the conversation. more substantive, on this policy issue. >> that honestly...