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Structural white supremacy, then i'm afraid we're not doing enough. we have to be there to fight overt white supremacy and we have to be there to fight systemic white supremacy and demonstrate that racism is not only not going to be tolerated when it comes from nazis but it's not going to be tolerated when it comes from the president, it's not going to be tolerated when it comes from law enforcement, not tolerated when it comes from landlords or teachers or anyone else in this country. >> we'll leave it right there. the live images out of boston for these dewing to demonstrations. tim weiss, a...

These folks are from right here in boston, and they have all sorts of different messages, but their main message is that racism and white supremacy has no place in america. >> all right, sara. thank you so much. and so back with my fanl, you know, tim and arno and lecia, arno, i know you were on the phone with us, but former skin head an author of "my life after hate, "i want to keep reminding people pause they're not seeing you and may be hearing your name for the first time as well, arno so, this opportunity that this free speech coalition has taken, what do you believe their primary objecti...

They're only there for free speech, that thigh might be looking for an opportunity to be provoked? >> absolutely. absolutely. if they were people of good will or good people as the president tried to suggest last week they would have canceled this so-called free speech rally today out of respect for the loss of life that happened in charlottesville and all those that were injured, but they did not do that. i want to applaud the peaceful protesters that came out also exercising their free speech rights to say no and take a strong stand against hate and white supremacy. >> ok. so arno, tim, and ...

>> thank you. what we're seeing strategy-wise is what we saw in charlottesville. the coalition of different white supremacist groups, and there's what they are, white supremacist organizations who have come together to position themselves or make it look like they're victims of free speech or they're victims of push for democracy and diversity and inclusion, they seek out as arno and tim mentioned attention. they want to wrap themselves in the cloak of free speech so that they can continue to speak out and have people believe that whites in this country are under assault. and that is their str...

Southern poverty law center, you've been monitoring hate groups for a very long time, helping people to get a better understanding about named groups, some duplicitous identities that many have, you heard arno talking about why some of these groups might be looking for any kind of aggression, any means in which to provoke them and it best serves their cause, it helps to cultivate more sympathies. so explain to us what you're seeing in the behavior perhaps or the strategy of some of these hate groups or extreme groups. it's difficult to know what to call them, so i'll let you place the best lab...