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That to argue and fairness. >> not only that, but they see that as unfair but on the flipside, they also see that as concerning because they think that is personal charges that could, gets trump and there are more charges that come to the line and i think it could be very bad for their client and they are trying to strategize that does something like 40 pounds this is no more meaningful for these lawyers and i think that is also driving a lot of anxiety right now. >> yes, understood. we appreciate you doing the reporting and joining us. good to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you. we ha...

See him right there. the big prime seat right next to local new york counsel at donald trump's arraignment table for the first ever criminal arraignment. the man you see there has spoken to trump many times in up to five times a day. natalie serves as a trump lawyer but has risen to the first among equals status because he oversees many, if not all of the lawyers, including some with far more experience on trumps team. now this is a huge rise for a person who is not a republican strategist before. more of a political license than a provider of valuable legal advice. that is according to the tr...