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Wolf attacks. is it correct to describe him as a lone wolf attacker was there an ideological since it is being described. well there might be an ideological hinterland it's all very confused i think this is part of the problem here is that it's very difficult to identify you know specific ideology i mean it's you know these people tend to be psychopaths to begin with you know they're not cystic and so forth and they each find an ideology to kind of suit you know their particular sociopathy so you know this person might have done something like this anyway or of might have you know turned to vi...

You mean that. well we've also had parliamentarians for example yesterday talking about a lot of the political rhetoric surrounding immigration a new zealand. and there's been a lot of it and recent years maybe i mean we're talking on a new zealand scale it's not. nothing's really comparative to overseas but. it's still there and it's still a problem and it's. something that we will have to be working on yeah ok matthew kind of sneak this was a particularly horrific attack there's no doubt about that and one german security expert described it as a quantum leap in right wing terrorism what is ...

Cities that live and you zealand we have to be live to the fact that there are those who do not share our values of openness of diversity of compassion and that's something we're going to have to confront is a nation. that's what do you do about people who don't share values like over openness and diversity and difference. that's that that's that's the challenge the news even faces now is the challenge the whole world faces but i think it's i think it's definitely part of it part the problem with i think a lot of the mainstream traditional media don't really understand how to deal with a lot o...

Want to i think that is the part of the problem and the more oxygen they get the more they the popularity of their power and. but they attempted to come to new zealand to do speeches and. a lot of their events were were cancelled once once the new operators in new zealand really realised who they were and what they were doing so that was that was a huge controversy in new zealand because there was a lot of freedom of speech advocates who claimed that that was you know censorship and so on but i think they would be. possibly people thinking analyzing it a bit closer they are now after the attac...

More discussion about it in all of all of these countries and i think the point in new zealand is well what happened you know as miles just said what led up to this attack what was the discussion then i think part of the problem now in looking at it and it's a little bit out of the headlines in europe already now is that it dern has become this kind of global star and all the focus is on her and you know how sympathetic she is as a figure and how she's doing all the right things which is obviously necessary but unfortunately i think it's diverted attention from some of these underlying issues ...