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Have been rehearsing for almost, oh, 14, 15 minutes here. >> the differences between steve allen and jack parr. steve allen was an entertainer. jack parr was a person. >> we're all a little nervous in television, these days. >> what made jack parr different was that it was all conversation. >> he made it a talk show. >> the jack parr show is basically just talking. like, you know, you think of talk shows. >> an ambition of my life was to be successful enough to buy a german shepherd and that's the greatest dog in the world, in my opinion, and i was able to buy one a couple months ago. and i to...

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Bit. >> the tonight show with steve alan was a big hit. >> but it's, still, late-night television. primetime is the big-cash cow. >> you want to get to prime time. and for years, ed sullivan had been clobbering nbc. >> they said to steve alan, we would like you to go up against the ed sullivan show on cbs. >> it occurs to me that there might be some people who don't know ed sullivan is on this time. >> the steve alan show was scripted so they put a lot more thought into it. >> we would attempt to bounce from the springboard with a somersault. >> the primetime show was very different. it buzz m...

"the tonight show." >> when my father stepped down from "the tonight show" to focus on his primetime show, nbc didn't think the show could continue without him. >> but they tapped another guy, who was definitely born to do television named ernie kovachs. >> when someone leaves, it's not easy to fit into their shoes. >> and what do you do? >> i really feel we shouldn't waste too much time. >> greatest-hidden gem of late night, no question about it. ernie kovachs. there was some funky, freaky, hallucinogenic stuff that went on in early late-night television. >> what got me interested in comedy? ...