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It is a legal. >> giuliani told "the times" if you're going to obstruct justice you do it privately. as we know this is president that does a whole lot of things very publicly. from an obstruction of justice case, would there have to be one big thing or could it be multiple little efforts to kind of according to prosecutors would amount to some obstruction? >> well, when you look at the bill of impeachment for nixon, article i, you'll see they drew heavily on his activities. the fact he'd misled the public as part of his scheme to obstruct, his dangling to witnesses sometimes privately, someti...

Use against the current wielder of art ii -- he's calling you spineless. he says republicans are spineless, too subservient to this president. how do you respond to what george will has to say? >> i completely disagree with what he has to say. if you look at a lot of republicans, they're willing, including me, when necessary to call out the president. i did the same thing under president obama. they'll support the president when they can. i did the same thing to president obama. to say we need to lose the majority to teach us a lesson. i think as a republican that believes in republican things...

The president, and by article i, and my fear is that article iii could be tainted as well. so i'm a big believer in making sure that the noble call of public service and the beacon of democracy that comes from the united states should be the best beacon and shine around the world. so, yes, i think we've got work to do. >> what does all this mean, ron. the average person on the street might say democracy task force? who needs more bureaucracy? what is it that this administration is doing or not doing to call this to attention. >> i think what you're hearing from preet bharara and christine todd...

It's easy to read. each section is numbered there are some minor redactions in the letter that congressman elijah cummings released today. but section 6 is untouched by the redactions, and very clear. it is entitled "foreign compensation requires advanced approval." let me just read that again. the title of section 6, foreign compensation requires advanced approval. there is nothing in the letter that is easier to understand than section 6. and so when michael flynn read section 6, it was probably telling him something that he already knew. quote, the emoluments clause of the u.s. constitution...

Get his way on these sanctions. >> let me ask you on the broader issue, as somebody who cut his teeth talking about nixon and the reporting on nixon and the abuse of power, does it trouble you at all to see this self-proclaimed expansion of executive authority under obama? >> sure, but to us as journalists, the important lesson is we're going to have a new president in about a year, and let's make sure we tell people who that might be and not -- we've got to cover -- >> that's not my question. the question i'm asking, and i want to get to george on this. the powers and abilities of a president...